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Israel’s civic strength in response to the Hamas attacks should stiffen Canada’s spine

Israel’s 9/11, while exposing our weakness, calls on us to find courage, and provides us, in the brave reactions of Israelis themselves to the tragedy, with examples to aspire to.

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Gary Oxenforth

Canada doesn’t have a spine. We have Trudeau.

24th October 2023 at 9:37 am
Mike Ruddell

I agree with everything you have said, Thomas Sowell also said it clearly years ago and it is just as true now as then.

I think Canada should have offered Israel peace keeping units to assist on their Northern border as an added deterrent to Hezbollah and a not the symbolic we stand with “Israel to defend itself” with the caveat to do so in “accordance with International law” BS.
Whether Israel would have accepted or not doesn’t matter. What matters is deeds and actions in the face of evil.
Trudeau and Singh should be calling for the unconditional surrender by Hamas and the release of all hostages immediately.
The accountability Justin Trudeau wanted for the rocket attack on the hospital in Gaza rests squarely on the shoulders of the Iranian leadership as well as the downed flight which killed many Canadians a couple years back.

But he is so self consumed with his own ego he won’t drop the writ and let the people move this Country back on track. He thinks his not so lofty words mean something but everyone has tuned him out including all our allies.

We need real leadership not equivocating fools and false populists.

24th October 2023 at 11:33 am
Luke Smith – deputy editor, The Hub

“Our dominant culture of deference and equivocation seems mostly harmless in times of peace and prosperity when manifestations of evil are subtle.”

If we don’t tend the flame we end up with ashes. Our recent lacklustre responses to emergencies (see COVID) leaves me cold on our capability of summoning some competency when we need it most.

24th October 2023 at 1:57 pm
Michael F

Compared to a lot of other countries we did just fine during the pandemic.

24th October 2023 at 3:48 pm
Chris MacMartin

Any opinion piece that fails to acknowledge the senseless death of innocents on both sides of this conflict is propaganda.

24th October 2023 at 11:14 am

The death of innocent men, women, or children is saddening and revulsive. That goes for Palestinians, Israelis, Ukrainians, Russians, UIghers, Rohingya, Hutus and any other victims of war zones. It goes for Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, or any other religion or ethnic group.

What makes the death of the Gazans so disturbing and disgusting is the total lack of humanity demonstrated by Hamas. They value the life of their women, children, elderly, and young men below that of land. They have exploited the Nakba for 75 years with hate and futility. They have squandered any aid that was for their people to build a war machine to fight and kill Jews.

The United Nations through UNWRA is also culpable in 75 years of support for a curriculum which is blatantly hateful and antisemitic. Instead of giving their children an education that they can build a dynamic civil society, UNWRA and Hamas teach them martyrdom.

While Israel is not without fault, the root cause of this 75 year Nakba is the failure of the Palestinian leadership to accept reality and put their people first. There is no reason that the Palestinians should not have a standard of living, education, a welfare system, and the hope that Israeli children aspire to.

What Hamas puts their men, women and children first, when they provide them with safe havens instead of using them as human shields, if they would remove from their charter and their actions the declaration to kill or remove all Israelis and Kafirs from Israel, maybe then there will be peace.

If Hamas would actually do that, then innocent men, women, and children on both sides of the conflict will have a hopeful future.

24th October 2023 at 3:33 pm
Veronique Miljkovitch

EXACTLY! The title of this article is appaling!

24th October 2023 at 12:40 pm
Gordon Hay

Agreed, note the author is an organizer for the Conservative Party. Might there be a bit of politicizing this debate. All war is evil, atrocities committed on both sides. As far as a year of mandatory service, Ms Roth would perhaps lead us by example and join up and sign up her children/ family to show up the way

24th October 2023 at 9:36 pm
Bill Williams

The fortitude a country exhibits is directly related to the leadership of that country.
When you are lead by a mealy mouth bumbling fool the country will not be strong and demonstrate confusion on major issues.

24th October 2023 at 10:24 am
Pierre Filisetti

I hope we don’t ever get to the point of ever aspire to be like Israel here in Canada. But I am pretty sure we will never “be like Israel” despite the many flaws of Canada. The crass Islamophobia of Roth is frightening. The Bible granted Israel the “right to exists”? The Bible?

24th October 2023 at 10:06 am

Please elucidate on the Islamophobia part, Let’s be clear. Not all Palestinians are Muslims. All Gazans are Palestinian. Criticizing Hamas, Hezbollah or any other fundamentalist terror group is not Islamophobia. Criticizing these terror groups and their ideological supports who celebrate the barbarity of October 7 and accept the shielding of their fighters behind innocent men, women and children is no more Islamophobia than criticizing the extreme right Israeli settlers is antisemitic.

At no point does Roth lump all Muslims as terrorists or barbaric individuals. Falling back on the Islamophobia card is just plain lazy and shows little real depth of thought. It is cheap.

24th October 2023 at 3:42 pm
Anthony Chezzi

The response to Netanyahu’s self defense of Israel is not unified amongst the Jewish people. Many blame him for the current state of affairs as he has chipped away at democratic institutions over the years. His last attempt to block the power of the courts is a dangerous precedent, one which I fear a Con government in Canada would try since Con are not lovers of courts and judges unless these institutions favor their policies.
If by stiffing the spine of Canadians you mean vengeance over legitimate self defense, then it is a path which will undo the rule of law. We need only look at the U S and how the Republicans have gone down that path and the chaos which is ensuing, but it seems Con want obstruction and deconstruction so as to complete their agenda of money and power.

24th October 2023 at 8:53 am
John Trainor

Perhaps you could enlighten me on how the current liberal government has shown its respect for the jurisdiction codified in the Canadian constitution……what utter nonsense to defend the current cabal of liberals by throwing dirt at conservatives……….neo marxists all of you.

24th October 2023 at 9:05 am
Rob Tyrrell

Your initial point is on topic and on point. Why go beyond the topic to broadly smear conservatives?

24th October 2023 at 9:29 am
Michael F

Because the editorial slant here is so obvious and odious it is deserving?

24th October 2023 at 12:34 pm
Rob Tyrrell

Your initial point is on topic and on point. Why go beyond the topic to broadly smear liberals?

24th October 2023 at 9:30 am
Joseph Ingram

Ginny, your manichean view of what is a highly complex situation is devoid of the historical and political context in which the Oct 7 massacre took place. You would benefit from reading a bit of history of the Middle East. Rather than ideological sanctimony we need serious thought as to how two peoples with similar racial and religious origins can learn to live together. Having more children on a planet of 9 billion is not part of the solution. That is utter stupidity. You might want to read a piece published on Oct 16 in The Hill Times titled “Government Actions prompt Another Senseless War”.

24th October 2023 at 8:12 am
Michael F

Ideological sanctimony with a dash of jingoism.

24th October 2023 at 12:35 pm
Herb Latchko

Aspire to Genocide ???
Give your head a shake !!!

24th October 2023 at 2:45 pm
margaret baker

I’m anxious to read what the “helpful hints” are that you learned from this ordeal as to how Canada can improve

24th October 2023 at 2:21 pm
Michael F

You poke fun at The Globe and Mail in your marketing and this is what you have on offer as an alternative? Seriously?

24th October 2023 at 12:37 pm