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As EU leaders visit Newfoundland, the message is clear: It’s time to step up, Canada

Canada is viewed by the EU as a reliable and like-minded partner, so it should come as no surprise that the EU wants to develop stronger ties with us. As global instability grows, it’s time for Canada, to step up and produce more of what the EU and other allies need—especially energy and critical minerals.

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Mark Camilleri highlights the importance of Canada building on its ties with the European Union. What are your thoughts on Canada focusing on this relationship more?

24th November 2023 at 10:00 am
Ron D

Of course Canada should build stronger ties with the EU, but this is simply not possible with the present “no-business-case” Liberal government. It’s a waste of time contemplating this subject until the Conservatives come to power.

24th November 2023 at 11:24 am

So obvious to the rest of us but not Liberal government.

24th November 2023 at 9:45 am
Rob Tyrrell

Thanks for highlighting this most recent Canada-EU Leaders Summit. Obviously trade with the EU is great in almost every way.

The country should obviously not be satisfied with simply sending raw materials, but rather manufacture and send the higher value chain intermediate and finished goods, for the usual benefits such as providing more and higher-skill employment and industry resiliency to commodity price fluctuations.

24th November 2023 at 7:57 am
Richard Courtemanche

Of course, that would be stepping up for Canada domestically as well. But, it seems that can’t happen until the unstable one is removed from office which is way too far down the road. Besides Chretien, who were the other misfits responsible for elevating this bum to PMship anyway?

24th November 2023 at 8:54 am
Ron D

You can blame failed diplomat John McCallum, who initially approached the narcissistic drama teacher to lead the Liberals. Per Jordan Peterson, Trudeau should have said “I’m flattered but no thanks”, but narcissists don’t think that way.

24th November 2023 at 11:20 am

How does that address the fact that there are no other contenders THAT is the question , no?

26th November 2023 at 6:13 pm
Greg Taylor

Doesn’t anyone in Canada understand that oil and gas pays Canada’s bills? Trudeau blew off Germany and Japan who came looking for LNG and got sent home with a “no business case here”. But Qatar managed to sign a multi year deal with Germany. Maybe Qatar saw a business case in a multi year, HUGE contract and our leaders are just stupid???

24th November 2023 at 1:24 pm

Qatar doesn’t give a shot about the environment – a delicate line to navigate

26th November 2023 at 6:15 pm
Sam S

Aren’t the delayed LNG projects the reason we said no to LNG? It’ll be until at least 2025 until we start producing enough LNG for export. We’re behind and there’s been setback after setback with these projects.

25th November 2023 at 9:14 pm
A. Chezzi

It is time to step up Canada. For many this means spending more on defense but there are many ways to step up, one being the defense of the climate and working towards zero emissions but when the government does this, the Con rail against the carbon tax without saying what there plan is. It was outrageous for the Con to say that Canada was imposing a carbon tax on the Ukraine when the Ukraine has accepted the standards of the European Common market vis a vis carbon pricing. To criticize the fall economic statement because it spends money which would create two militaries or doesn’t spend enough money for arms misses what Canada has done for the Ukraine. Let’s stope equating meeting our commitments solely with arms and defense and realize that there are other worthwhile and necessary ways to step up.

24th November 2023 at 8:42 am
Kim Morton

Totally clueless defender of all that is wrong with Canada. The carbon scam tax in its present form is simply a wealth redistribution scheme, with a lot of jobs for bureaucrats whose only other job skill is welfare recipient.

24th November 2023 at 10:05 am
Sam S

Are you not concerned with carbon emissions and climate change? Carbon taxes effectively put high emission industries in a tight position where they have to pay more as they emit more incentivizing a reduction in emissions. The tax is proving to be effective. What would you do to reduce emissions in its place?

25th November 2023 at 9:21 pm

Who decides? Environment or money? Money grabbers want wealth at any cost – maybe they have no offsprings? Maybe they’ll populate Mars?

26th November 2023 at 6:19 pm
Vaughn Pfaff

The writer presents as insightful, informative and non partisan. Points are well made, without the bias of some articles. Thankyou.

24th November 2023 at 5:10 pm
John Trainor

You can’t seriously discuss adult matters with the clown prince we have at the helm……name a single decision this liberal government has made in 8 years that has been good for the economy, people’s morale, family unity or international relations……it is one unmitigated bone headed move after another…..the liberal caucus is spineless in its support of this pretender as is the gadfly NDP that props him up………..Trudeau is a laughing stock in Europe and in case you hadnt noticed the Europeans are having to walk back their green energy nonsense with winter’s reality on them……more nuclear plants not less is the answer but the marxist insider buddies that ride this green monster stuffing billions into their Swiss bank accounts want none of that.

24th November 2023 at 2:40 pm

With the EU having a carbon price and a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism for those countries who do not have carbon pricing it is imperative for Canada to not only stay aligned with our trading partners but lead the way. The Uk increased their carbon pricing under the CON government when they left the EU as carbon pricing is a market based signal. Read the EU, Canada joint statement issued today which aligns Canada in dozens of areas, none more so than on carbon pricing. Countries will be charged carbon pricing on exports to the EU (with no carve out) beginning with select products so we need to keep the funds at home. As the Suncor CEO said carbon pricing is not only good for business, it’s the right thing to do.
As an aside, the Supreme Court said calling the system a carbon tax is incorrect as all the funds are returned so the correct term is GHG emission pollution pricing or carbon pricing on pollution.

Carbon Pricing = Table Stakes to do business with the EU and the UK.
In the joint Canada EU statement:
Recognize that implementing carbon pricing (including on both electricity and heat generation and energy-intensive industry sectors) is one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to reduce GHG emissions and to spur investment and innovation in low-carbon solutions while respecting the polluters pay principle. In this vein, they intend to continue exchanges on their carbon pricing systems and to step up their efforts to expand the uptake of carbon pricing policies in other countries, including through active involvement in the Florence Process and in the Global Carbon Pricing Challenge. In that regard, they reaffirm their support for the Call to Action for Paris Aligned Carbon Markets, launched at the Summit for a New Global Financing Pact. They intend to cooperate on measures to adresss carbon leakage risks in a non-discriminatory manner, including exchanging views on the EU’s Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism.

24th November 2023 at 7:30 pm

I must agree with David Frum, whose interview on the Hub this morning cut deeply into the problems that impact our ability as a nation to cohesively work together. Forget about advancing our country’s standing in Europe or, for that matter, the world. This goes beyond trade. We have more pressing issues to resolve. And until we do, we will never achieve Laurier’s vision of Canada being “the star towards which all men who love progress and freedom shall come.”

Frum was spot on in saying “our country is “in the grips of an ideology that is very dangerous to the health and safety of Canadians.” He added, with succinct accuracy, that the “greatest superpower of democracy is the power of self-correction” – and this is a power within Canada that is about to ignite.

Prime Minister Trudeau, for all his faults (and there are many), has performed an immense public service through his actions over the last 10 years, exposing many glaring weaknesses within our political and governmental structures. These weaknesses have allowed that dangerous ideology to grow and thrive, further eroding our ability to function as a democracy and to grow an economy whose primary strength has been its immense and abundant natural resources. Our domestic and international decline under his watch has been spectacular. Despite this, I am optimistic that future historians will regard the next two years as the moment we recognized the need to ignite that power of self-correction that Frum says is within us.

Before we go about trying to save the world, how about we get our own house in order first? Until we look deep within our collective soul and then make the necessary corrections that strengthen our national institutions, any talk of “[stepping] up and [producing] more of what the EU and other allies need” is pure hubris.

24th November 2023 at 12:33 pm

Well said!

26th November 2023 at 6:22 pm
Rob Tyrrell

I, too, really enjoyed the David Frum conversation, as usual. This one in particular as it was longer and less focused (more than two topics) than the bi-weekly discussion.

About the last paragraph, and giving a pass on the hyperbolic straw man (saving the world), what principle would ever make it prudent in dealing with one issue at-a-time in any complex organization, let alone a nation (institution building and only then increasing trade volume in this case)?

If you had an argument against, or alternative to, expanding trade with the EU in these sectors, that would be worth debating.

24th November 2023 at 1:04 pm
Kim Morton

I can see where Europe would want our resources, but it is not in our best interests to ship raw materials. We can do much better by shipping finished, or semifinished products, keeping important manufacturing jobs at home.

24th November 2023 at 10:01 am

When Harper gutted the older assessment act, and introduced what we are dealing with now, he blew it, with Trudeau making it worse. Prior to Harper 1000s of projects were approved annually

24th November 2023 at 11:32 pm
Xiaoming Guo

We already have a free trade agreement with the EU. When we have free trade with the EU, the market economy should make its way. Do we subsidize a huge amount of money for VW to set up a battery factory? How much taxpayers’ money is needed to do more?

24th November 2023 at 8:57 pm
Danny Lewia

Who wrote this article, Kamala Harris?

24th November 2023 at 7:59 pm
Jack Eberhardt

For Canada to step up and deal with Europe in particular Germany the economic engine of Europe I have been saying this for over 60 years. It was unfortunate when Chancellor Kohl and his business entourage came he kind of got blown away with a Sorry we are not ready to come back later, I felt embarrassed for Canada they would not only buy because they are financially sound and would be interested in investing big money into our Industries. The USA investors like to buy Canadian Industries i.e Paper mills milk them then shut them down to protect their own seen in Thunder Bay and Dryden, Ontario.

24th November 2023 at 12:03 pm