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Will Pierre Poilievre stand up to Doug Ford, Canada’s biggest gatekeeper?

With wrath aimed at the federal Liberals, Doug Ford’s dithering conservative government has escaped accountability for housing failures. Encouraging Ontario’s lazy government into action is the most effective way for Pierre Poilievre to demonstrate his rhetoric is more than hot air.

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Kim Morton

When the immigration problem is solved, the housing problem will solve itself. Now, it would be one thing if immigrants were paying their own way, but this is not the case. All of us are facing massive tax increases to pay for the infrastructure required to take care of the uncontrolled influx of people. Many cities are running short on potable water, while costs of sewage treatment and garbage disposal are in the multiple billions.
As for what happens in Ontario, the rest of the country doesn’t really care.

13th February 2024 at 10:20 am
Michael F

Care to cite some actual factual data about your assertions? Because you know what a lot of immigrants do? They buy stuff like sheets and beds etc. And the rest of Canada better be aware of what happens in Ontario because it is the economic engine of the country.

13th February 2024 at 10:52 am
Deborah

Don’t believe a thing PP says. I don’t trust him at all. He jumps on everything and anything that people complain over. He has a great marketing team that gives him great little slogans and quips. He is a hustler. He has never had a real job; talk about an elite! Do people forget that he lives in Stornoway while the PM is in a cottage. He could retire tomorrow with a beautiful gold plated government pension and full benefits. The ultimate elite. He’s a hypocrite.

13th February 2024 at 8:47 am
RJKWells

Deborah, I’m sure there might be some who would say that you’ve inadvertently described the one in the cottage.

I’m pretty sure the PM and his party have a great marketing team in place too. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting he makes things up as he goes along…

13th February 2024 at 9:57 am
Michael F

For a guy who purports to be politically savvy you certainly post some naive opinions. Do you honestly think any administration just rolls the dice and makes things up as they go along? The ministries and PMO have reems of experts that are the ones that truly chart the course of the nation. Does the PM helm the whole thing? Sure.

13th February 2024 at 10:48 am
RJKWells

Savvy enough to recognize that this iteration of liberal governance is coming to a painful end – no matter how hard those ‘reams’ of experts at the disposal of the PMO try to turn their sagging fortunes around. The people yearn for change.

Speaking of change, Michael, that’s what the LPOC should have considered about a year or so ago while the time for getting was good.

13th February 2024 at 11:36 am
Samuel Herbert

NO!!! PP has ZERO substance regarding any issue. PP is a rabble rousing sing song sloganeer…that is all he is! PP is all about using misinformation and disinformation to rile up hate filled low info rubes! PP has stolen the Trumpster’s playbook!

13th February 2024 at 8:13 am
Paul Attics

Yikes. Mr. Pollierve deserves plenty of criticism, as do all political leaders, but this ironic post is well into unhinged territory.
Responsible citizens, even intense partisans, need to be able to call balls and strikes on all parties.

13th February 2024 at 8:54 am
Michael F

But where is he actually not saying the truth? His post is bombastic but factually correct. I think there’s a strong case to be made that this iteration of the conservative party in Canada have swung further right, do rely on a certain demographic as their base and absolutely have learned and taken lessons from the republicans in the USA. Especially the political messaging of Steve Bannon.

13th February 2024 at 10:35 am
Paul Attics

What are the facts in the original post? Feel free to list them…

13th February 2024 at 12:26 pm
SH

WOW, you sure seem to love your own POV. I wish I was as clever as you think you are! Who is to say I am not as critical of al parties?? Oh, wait…maybe you are the Amazing Kreskin!! Get over yourself!

13th February 2024 at 10:35 am
Paul Attics

Touched a nerve it seems. Back to you post. Just read it out loud to yourself, or if you are daring, someone in your social circle.

13th February 2024 at 12:24 pm
SH

No nerves touched at all professor! I read it aloud, pretty darn accurate!

13th February 2024 at 2:07 pm
Alfred Napolitano

“Will Pierre Poilievre stand up to Doug Ford, Canada’s biggest gatekeeper?” Does this mean if and when he gets elected? Who knows! Is this a joke question? The election could be in October of 2025! Who knows what shape the country will be in, if and when he gets elected.

Or do you mean, “Will Pierre Poilievre stand up to Doug Ford, Canada’s biggest gatekeeper, now, way before he gets elected? The answer is no. 2 things: 1) he has a good lead now 2) every single thing he says will be slanted and slandered by the Liberals, the NDP, the CBC, the state controlled main stream media, the laurentians, etc. Every Single Thing. These people are on the hunt for every single item to crucify him on.
This is what is “broken” about Canada. Not late passports. Not spending $60M for an $80,000 app (and no one losing their job).

13th February 2024 at 1:36 pm
Coxy

I read a book about Lester Pearson recently. A great man and Canadian PM and Statesmen. It would be wise for PP to think about statesmanship and the rewards of optimism and positivity not just negativity, anger and changing his image. It is hurting him. Focus on policy and lighten up buddy. He needs to make you think he wont show up at a July BBQ dressed in a suit. So many people are tired of the way Political Parties are fixated on media relations instead of public relations, transparency and clarity of policy. They want authenticity and are not inclined to expect perfectionism which is so political machinery gotcya-ism. Housing in Canada is a crisis and requires a national policy solution with provincial/territory support and all that I have seen so far is the Trudeau government announcing some type of post-WW2 public housing ownership program. This is good for Canada – wish it was 6 years ago like the need for better clean energy infrastructure before EV mania. Does that mean it is not time for a change in Canadian leadership and government? No. This is a great article because it is honest and transparent about Conservative Party policy inconsistency and what PP needs to do to convince Canadians he can govern in a majority or a minority coalition, likely the latter. Great article HUB

13th February 2024 at 11:47 am
Michael F

PP and his team don’t care about traditional media. That’s why like Trump in the US, they are full on engaged with social media. He is all about stirring up rage and anger because that’s what his base wants and it keeps the cash flowing. He doesn’t need much in the way of policy with this crowd, just shouts of doing this in a ‘common sense’ way or back to the ‘good ol’ days’ and simple slogans like ‘Axe the Tax’. That’s all they want to hear. They want to go back to some fictional Let It To Beaver fever dream where everyone was white, christian and swept their sidewalk wearing pearls.

13th February 2024 at 12:32 pm
A. Chezzi

If Poilievre is PM, he will be the biggest gatekeeper in the country. His simple slogans will do little to alleviate any crisis which we are experiencing. Axe the tax and what else will be cut? Bring what home? It is all a cover to deflect from what Con will do. Stephen Harper once said that Canada was a benign dictatorship. He continued the practice and so will Poilievre.

13th February 2024 at 10:41 am
Paul Attics

All politicians are faced with the trade-offs between the political path and the best for the country/province/municipality path. Sometimes the two align but often they do not. When the disconnect is too frequent and/or too egregious, a politician begins to earn the ignoble mantle of “typical politician”, even with party supporters. Many may chalk to politics-as-usual, but when the person doing it is in power, it has real and negative consequences, including more apathy among voters or potential voters (see current government).

Mr. Poilievre has a lot of, and growing, credibility in diagnosing and communicating solutions national problems. Putting the blinders on for political expediency in such an obvious way will do damage to this reputation in Ontario, taking some of the shine off what seems to almost be a government-in-waiting….sure, up to 18 months of waiting during which lots of things can change.

13th February 2024 at 9:09 am
SH

PP is a charlatan, a phoney. His voting record in the HOC tells his truth, as does his previous comments about ‘career politicians’.

13th February 2024 at 10:38 am
Greg Jackson

Do you really want to call someone a charlatan and a phony? I am assuming that you voted for JT. If you were even capable of objective observation, you might be embarrassed to use those terms for PP and not for JT. His incessant virtue signaling, his constant ethics failures, his disrespect for the rights of ordinary Canadians and the on-going corruption within his government, all while claiming to care about anyone but himself, is the very definition of a charlatan and a phony.

13th February 2024 at 11:14 am
SH

Gee Greg, in case you missed the topic is PP…PP and Dofo!. Try to pay attention! You have JT derangement syndrome!

13th February 2024 at 1:21 pm
Paul Attics

I am not surprised but I was hoping at its inception that The Hub forum would be much more than calling the other team’s leader names.

Sadly, the most successful politicians in our popularity contest electoral systems almost need to be phonies in order to get elected.

13th February 2024 at 12:32 pm
Valerie

The biggest form of housing “gatekeeping”–preventing cities from expanding outwards as their populations grow–in Ontario is all but politically untouchable. Even with density to partially compensate, the result has been skyrocketing land prices, smaller units, and a huge transfer of wealth to existing homeowners. There’s “enough” land without touching the greenbelt, but enough for what? The majority of new builds are apartments, not ‘missing middle’, and we are a pricing an entire generation out of the lower-density, family-friendly housing that is both what they want and what previous generations enjoyed. Unfortunately, Doug Ford’s corrupt handling of the greenbelt means that even urban boundary expansions of communities outside of the greenbelt (Kitchener, Guelph, Barrie) have become politically difficult.

13th February 2024 at 11:16 am
Michael F

Doug Fraud is going to be a massive thorn in the side of PP should he win an election. Dougie is if anything a pragmatic fiscal conservative and won’t be a dogmatic lap dog to the feds. And when you run the economy that powers the country it makes you first among equals with the provinces. Spiffy slogans and Youtube videos won’t work when the politics get real. Governing from the opposition bench is always notoriously easier.

13th February 2024 at 10:41 am
SH

Yes!!! PP is all about simple sing song sloganeering…that is why he loses it if he ever gets scrummed. PP can’t think on his feet, needs a ‘talking point’ script! PP has ZERO depth!

13th February 2024 at 1:24 pm
Lauraine

While the official opposition is given millions of dollars for research and consultations, pp is not spending it on anything that benefits the country as a whole…. he just focuses on his grab for more power while the mps collect a fat salary and sleep.

13th February 2024 at 3:18 pm
The Hub Staff

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13th February 2024 at 5:19 pm